tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post797189883992060225..comments2023-11-03T07:24:46.979-04:00Comments on Traci: PHD ThoughtsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post-8441641079068816002007-06-11T08:27:00.000-04:002007-06-11T08:27:00.000-04:00Mom... I hear you and I think this is a great exam...Mom... I hear you and I think this is a great example, but I don't think its much different from what Corey is saying or what I am asking. <BR/><BR/>The 12 step program is contemplation in action, it is recovery, it is social healing, part of this healing is personal so that it can become overflow. <BR/><BR/>The challenge hear is that there is no formula... I think that is why discipleship is key... there is an overarching goal we are striving towards (becoming more like Christ), but different people are going to have strengths and weaknesses in different areas and we need to as communities come along side of each other and allow God's grace to heal us and move us from where we are to some place new.tracihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08719462618314913629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post-59526080346580275132007-06-11T08:23:00.000-04:002007-06-11T08:23:00.000-04:00Corey... yes, this is what I am talking about... w...Corey... yes, this is what I am talking about... where is the intersection?tracihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08719462618314913629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post-65644433521988200122007-06-11T08:21:00.000-04:002007-06-11T08:21:00.000-04:00To first comment, yes, I did mean "how"To first comment, yes, I did mean "how"tracihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08719462618314913629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post-49466742095975239222007-06-11T07:33:00.000-04:002007-06-11T07:33:00.000-04:00the thing i'm not clear on is how you don't overwh...the thing i'm not clear on is how you don't overwhelm people who are "not there yet"....we can get pushy with the "mission" thing just as much as anything else. Jesus didn't say "Go out and teach people how to do mission." as the great commission. He didn't ask anything of many people. They fell in love with him and then they wanted to do stuff. I know I've mentioned the 12 step programs several times..but i do think they are an example of weaving service in to recovery. Their service is simple. to share their experience strength and hope with others who are still practicing their addiction...they have to give it away to keep it. Individual moral inventories are intense in 12 step programs, and time consuming but ,for me, still the most humbling and transforming work I've done. The reason i'm saying all this is that , as my shrink said, the biggest block to my healing was giving myself permission to spend the time i needed to, on "myself" It went again what i believed as a Christian to do that. I found many women who felt the same way (guilty for needing to spend time and money to get help). I had to be willing to receive, as a person bereft of anything to give, (I thought) and then, eventually, I became so much better equipped to use my gifts... but I think I was living the Christian life just as much in my period of receiving . It's just my word of caution... Of course, what I remember is that God did use me to help others then too!! (maybe even the most I've ever done)but that wasn't my aim. I think I wanted healing SO MUCH I was willing to give up all my old ideas...so in this philosphy thing, i think there needs to be the "Do you want to be healed?" question in the middle of all of it. love, momAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post-87822404438420287872007-06-11T03:01:00.000-04:002007-06-11T03:01:00.000-04:00hey traci,i'm really excited you are pursuing thes...hey traci,<BR/><BR/>i'm really excited you are pursuing these topics as your phd from the public admin field. one of the biggest things that we have to get beyond for pursuing these changes is thinking that small groups and discussions is what fosters missional discipleship---<BR/><BR/>what would like to have mission at the center of what it means to be a disciple?<BR/><BR/>follow me and i will make you....?<BR/><BR/>displeship and mission have been separated in the church, and this should never be<BR/><BR/>look forward to pursuing these questions with youDanielle Paxtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16068283339401272255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1449879009903475672.post-15254084377097045122007-06-10T21:09:00.000-04:002007-06-10T21:09:00.000-04:00did you mean 'how' in question 2?did you mean 'how' in question 2?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com